McCain followers filled with Fear!

dc2GS-R

Super Moderator
The economy isn't shit because of the taxation of the different social classes. Changing that isn't going to help much. The economy slide started with all of these idiots out here loaning people more money then they can afford to pay back and loaning out more money then the actual company has. Now these people can't afford their loans, the investment companies can't pay them because they loan more than they have and this can just plain and simple fuck everything up. IMO, the people responsible for this should be indicted similar to the Enron scam instead of just bailing these people out and letting them go about their business.

That has nothing to do with the taxation of the rich. By your theory I should be punished for getting an education and a good job while the people who drop out of high school and sit around all day doing nothing and collecting welfare checks are rewarded with free money. MY MONEY
 
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tisguy

New Member
Huh? You're be fecicious, right?
Government spends money like a drunken Sailor, with all apologies to Sailors, because at least a drunken Sailor is spending his own money....the Government is spending YOUR MONEY!
yea i was. I think the roles of government have expanded far greater than necessary.
 

ltrain

New Member
That has nothing to do with the taxation of the rich. By your theory I should be punished for getting an education and a good job while the people who drop out of high school and sit around all day doing nothing and collecting welfare checks are rewarded with free money. MY MONEY
ok this is the thing, not EVERYBODY that is in the low class bracket is scum (sure alot of them are but i know people with HS diplomas that cant go to college because they dont have the $ or have a hard time finding good work. Everybody has there circumstances.. I live in longisland (good suburbs) and most white people here (making 100k a year are voting for obama here. Obama 's followers arent just black ... far from it i think.

Obamas or mccains plan doesnt affect me much considering me and my fiance make about 95k a year together so this isnt about my earnings but its what i feel is right. And even if i was earning a good triple digit sallery i still would NEVER vote for McCain, all i here is bullshit from that guy and his healthcare plan is a JOKE 5K isnt going to get u good healthcare. Mccains plans are gonna benifit the scum pos insurance companies. Healthcare should Not be a buisness or treated like 1!!

it goes further then the tax issues!
 

dc2GS-R

Super Moderator
There are plenty of school loans that are available to anyone who can't afford to pay for it themselves. The loans will more than pay for themselves. That's not a valid excuse. So if they people could just make the effort to make something for themselves, then they wouldn't have to worry about medicare, medicaid, health care plans and what not. Complaining about these kind of things is pointless. You put yourself in these kinds of positions. That would be like selling drugs for living but complaining because you went to jail. You knew it was a crime and you did it anyway. Take a student loan, get a degree. Now you're getting paid plenty to take care of the loan repayment and you also get excellent health benefits.

I'm just saying that if you're not going to make an attempt to better yourself, then don't complain when you're struggling. You've done it to yourself. I know I don't have sympathy for laziness
 
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TegSox

Super Duper Moderator
ok this is the thing, not EVERYBODY that is in the low class bracket is scum (sure alot of them are but i know people with HS diplomas that cant go to college because they dont have the $ or have a hard time finding good work. Everybody has there circumstances.. I live in longisland (good suburbs) and most white people here (making 100k a year are voting for obama here. Obama 's followers arent just black ... far from it i think.

Obamas or mccains plan doesnt affect me much considering me and my fiance make about 95k a year together so this isnt about my earnings but its what i feel is right. And even if i was earning a good triple digit sallery i still would NEVER vote for McCain, all i here is bullshit from that guy and his healthcare plan is a JOKE 5K isnt going to get u good healthcare. Mccains plans are gonna benifit the scum pos insurance companies. Healthcare should Not be a buisness or treated like 1!!
Obama supporters aern't all black, that's for sure. Blacks only comprise 13% of the population (whites = 65%, Hispanic 14%), it'd be mathematically impossible for him to win if that were the case.
I chalk up college educated/high earning Liberals as just being successfully brainwashed by the overwhelming majority of college professors who are Liberals, along the media being overwhelmingly Liberal, and so is the popular culture. Liberalism has become the default position of what many normal everyday people experience growing up in the United States today, at least this is what I have experienced growing up in the Northeast, a Liberal leaning area of the country. It's in the schools, in TV shows and movies, on the radio and in the news - on TV and in print magazines and newspapers. Liberals tend to do what "makes them feel good" or what they think "makes them good people", emotion ovverrides logical thought, reason and facts.
This is why liberals push for universal healthcare, to use your example, ltrain. In theory, it sounds fantastic, humane and "the right thing to do", but in reality, it will be a nightmare of inefficiency and substandard results, because that's what happens to everything the Government touches (except the Military). It can't be done in a country of 300 million people. It will be grotesquely expensive, and if you haven't noticed the country is now more than 10 TRILLION dollars in debt. Healthcare is not written into the Constitution as a right. It's a business in the United States, and because it's a business and people are motivated to be the best at it whether for monetary or other reasons, we have the best doctors, surgeons and hospitals in the World.

Capitalism rewards hard work and motivation, Socialism kills it.
 
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DarkDB1

New Member
I'm not going to vote this year... I dont like either one.

But here's a interesting video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4

Everyone I know is voting for Obama. I have yet to meet in person 1 Mccain follower... My dad and his wife both make a little over $100K a year (each) and their voting Obama. I dont know to much about this stuff, Nor do I want to get into it... It's too competitive for me.

BTW, Were not black.
 

ltrain

New Member
I'm not going to vote this year... I dont like either one.

But here's a interesting video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4

Everyone I know is voting for Obama. I have yet to meet in person 1 Mccain follower... My dad and his wife both make a little over $100K a year (each) and their voting Obama. I dont know to much about this stuff, Nor do I want to get into it... It's too competitive for me.

BTW, Were not black.
look at that guys other videos .... praising palin WTF ehhhh

i prefer this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH2iufUU1f4
 

Cheesenip

I <3 2.4l's
lets put it this way. Im not satisfied with either one. I think both will crew something up....but Im not voting Obama.
 

tisguy

New Member
This election feels to me feels more like
a) a vote towards obama is a vote against mccain
b) a vote towards mccain is a vote against obama

I'm planning to vote for the constitutional party this time around. That way when (not if) mccain or obama screws up, not only do I have a clean conscience, but I can say that I voted for someone that I agree with.
 

TegSox

Super Duper Moderator
The video was put together by a McCain supporter, but what is said in it is spot on, I wish they slowed it down a bit so it was easier to take in. And it validates what I just said in my earlier post. Liberal Democrats want to do whatever makes them feel like a good person.
They view the world through a prism of how they wish it was or how they want it to be, not of how it is.

From the video: "His (Obama's) heart was in the right place, but his head was not".

That is the conundrum of being a Liberal Democrat. Hopes and dreams vs. reality, like the reality taking place today, homes being taken away from poor people who should have never bought them in the first place. Telling a low income person they can't afford to buy a house isn't racist, it's reality.
 

g3teg97

Super Moderator
I really love this thread because it's not really like the Obama supporters are bashing McCain and the McCain supports aren't really bashing the Obama supporters.

I really like the point DC2GSR made because to tell you the truth, I never thought of it that way. I haven't followed politics that much, but "Capitalism rewards hard work and motivation, Socialism kills it." is probably true.

Can you explain more about socialism and capitalism?

I know capitalism is the economic system in which the means of production are owned by private persons, and operated for profit (from wikipedia).

But socialism is freakin confusing.
 

tisguy

New Member
I really love this thread because it's not really like the Obama supporters are bashing McCain and the McCain supports aren't really bashing the Obama supporters.

I really like the point DC2GSR made because to tell you the truth, I never thought of it that way. I haven't followed politics that much, but "Capitalism rewards hard work and motivation, Socialism kills it." is probably true.

Can you explain more about socialism and capitalism?

I know capitalism is the economic system in which the means of production are owned by private persons, and operated for profit (from wikipedia).

But socialism is freakin confusing.
This is a pretty good read if you have the time: http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Socialism.html
 
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